Andy`s Ugly son of a gun.......(Tractor!!).

[The Smythe Meister]

Here you are Andy: https://www.ebay.co.uk/b/dinky-697/bn_7024937440
Pete

HA!! Just looked that up and zoomed in on the eBay one Pete
Looks quite nice actually,and fairly reasonable, although there are 2days left
Thanks for that, don't remember those from my early days!
Andy

[Si Benson]

Remember building this, and thoroughly enjoyed it when I first got into model making.

Your build has steamed ahead nicely Mr Smiff :thumb2:

[Guest]

a mish mash of the FAT and CMP shown there.....

FAT = Field Artillery Tractor, CMP = Canadian Military Pattern — the two are different things, but it can be hard to keep straight. Like Steve explained, CMP was a shorthand designation for a series of trucks and lorries made in Canada by Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge in a wide range of variants (the Ford and Chevrolet ones are hard to tell apart unless you know what to look for, but the Dodges are entirely different). FATs were trucks specifically built to tow field artillery, and were manufactured using a number of different chassis, including Ford and Chevrolet CMP but also from other manufacturers. This is what the three drawings on the first page of the instructions illustrate: the top is a FAT built on a Guy chassis, the middle is a FAT on a Morris chassis and the bottom is a FAT on a Ford or Chevrolet (I can’t make out the difference in the picture) CMP chassis.

Now, this isn’t made any easier by your FAT also being a CMP, but with a different model of cab than in the bottom drawing Ford and Chevrolet CMPs were made with three types of cab, the No. 11, No. 12 and No. 13. Your FAT has a No. 12 cab (I think, I can never tell the 11 and 12 apart), while the bottom illustration has a No. 13 cab, easily recognised by the forward-angled windows. Italeri has a 1:35 kit of the latter, BTW.

And to further muddy the waters, FATs were also often known as ”Quads”, IIRC because of their four-wheel drive.

[The Smythe Meister]

Hello mate,

You do like opening cans of worms LOL. There were two main manufacturers - Chevrolet and Ford. They had different chassis but the bodywork variants would be the same. ie a beetle back body on a Chevy or Ford chassis etc etc. The term CMP (Canadian Military Pattern) is just a general term referring to Canadian built trucks with either a Chevy or Ford chassis and a British designed body. Eventually Britain got Morris to put the body work on their chassis as well. Therefore three different chassis with similar British designed bodywork. Then you have the next level of confusion. The bodywork was made by several commonwealth countries ie India, Australis etc so they would be local variations on the bodywork supplied. There are loads of different styles of bodywork.

As for the Tamiya kit it is a Ford Chassis with a British designed Beetle Back body. These were made before, during and after the war. If you want extreme detail and information on particular models and variant then the MLU Website is your bible for all things CMP.

HA! Yep,certainly "A can of worms"...... Thanks for that info,good of you to take the time mate :thumb2:

Remember building this, and thoroughly enjoyed it when I first got into model making.

Your build has steamed ahead nicely Mr Smiff :thumb2:

Cheers Si.... This certainly does seem to be a popular kit that many of us have built in the past,in various scales

FAT = Field Artillery Tractor, CMP = Canadian Military Pattern — the two are different things, but it can be hard to keep straight. Like Steve explained, CMP was a shorthand designation for a series of trucks and lorries made in Canada by Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge in a wide range of variants (the Ford and Chevrolet ones are hard to tell apart unless you know what to look for, but the Dodges are entirely different). FATs were trucks specifically built to tow field artillery, and were manufactured using a number of different chassis, including Ford and Chevrolet CMP but also from other manufacturers. This is what the three drawings on the first page of the instructions illustrate: the top is a FAT built on a Guy chassis, the middle is a FAT on a Morris chassis and the bottom is a FAT on a Ford or Chevrolet (I can’t make out the difference in the picture) CMP chassis.

Now, this isn’t made any easier by your FAT also being a CMP, but with a different model of cab than in the bottom drawing :smiling3: Ford and Chevrolet CMPs were made with three types of cab, the No. 11, No. 12 and No. 13. Your FAT has a No. 12 cab (I think, I can never tell the 11 and 12 apart), while the bottom illustration has a No. 13 cab, easily recognised by the forward-angled windows. Italeri has a 1:35 kit of the latter, BTW.

And to further muddy the waters, FATs were also often known as ”Quads”, IIRC because of their four-wheel drive.

Jakko,WOW!!.... That`s also a cracking amount of detailed info ...... as with Steve,thank you very much for taking the time to post it mate.......,it really is very much appreciated:thumb2:

AS always chaps,the amount of freely given info and advice is staggering.....not to mention the general banter and shared experiences,it`s so refreshing in this increasingly "Dog Eat Dog" and "Insular" world!
.... A bit of an update to follow a bit later.............

[The Smythe Meister]

......... Cont`d!!
Ok then Guys.......Well,what more can i say about this kit that either,I haven`t already said....or you don`t already know?!:thinking:.....
I`ll try !!.... This is obviously only my opinion,BUT..... If you`re talking VFM,then look no further than this... 3 subjects in the same box, which i consider to be pretty much 2 kits in the same box,(I.E. The "Tractor",and the Gun with Limber)...... All for about £25,or at least that`s what i paid for it:hugging-face:
As we all know,... "It`s Tamiya"... therefore an absolute pleasure to put together....
Here`s the build of the Gun and limber....


The original kit supplied figure really is unusable as i want this to be in Europe .....

Yep,wrong uniform,so it`s back to this guy....

Will have to hack his legs off to make him fit in,but at least the bits of him that you will see,(Cab`s gonna be enclosed as i`m doing the whole thing as a Travelling unit),will be accurate :flushed:........ So,here are the individual components all together in primer......

All awaiting the base coat,looking forward to that:nerd:,
And finally for this update,i thought i`d show the Figures for the forthcoming dio... it`ll be this set up travelling along a Road/track in North eastern Europe,(I`m thinking Caen) .......
Gotta crack on with my Spitfire really.... but this is SO much fun that it eats up my Spit build time!!
Cheers for now,and thanks for looking in !!
Andy

[Tim Marlow]

Going well Andy. You could use the guy with the shorts if you set it in Southern Europe on the Italian front

[scottie3158]

Andy
Looking very tidy mate.

[BattleshipBob]

Hi Andy

Missed this as well, bugger

Coming along very nicely

[Mickc1440]

You can't beat a relatively stress free build. There are plenty of challenging kits out but sometimes you don't need it. Nice work so far Andy

[adt70hk]

Coming on very nicely Andy!!

[Ian M]

It is, despite its shall we say unusual breed; neither Ford or Chevy, as already mentioned a very nice kit to build. I have built one and a half of them! (the half was a conversion to a 17lb'er Pheasant.)
Look forwards to seeing the colour go down on this one.

[The Smythe Meister]

Going well Andy. You could use the guy with the shorts if you set it in Southern Europe on the Italian front

Hi Tim,yes,good point there Sir... but looking at the MG Team figures,i think i`d prefer the other chap to suit them. ...
.... Probably some sort of OCD:tears-of-joy::tears-of-joy: ....
i just like to put stuff in that you`ll NEVER see,not because i`m a GREAT modeller,(OBVIOUSLY i`m not:thumb2:!!),But just because it makes me feel that i`ve done my best.

Andy
Looking very tidy mate.

Cheers Scottie, ( DAWG )!! It`s just Good fun... as i`m sure you know:thumb2:

Hi Andy

Missed this as well, bugger

Coming along very nicely

Hi Bob,Nice to see you Sir... I hope yourself ,and especially Julie,are faring as best as can be expected:thinking::thumb2:.

You can't beat a relatively stress free build. There are plenty of challenging kits out but sometimes you don't need it. Nice work so far Andy

Indeed Mate... It` such a great thing to be able to relax,take time,and.... more importantly..... HAVE FUN!!

Coming on very nicely Andy!!

Cheers Andrew.... I bet you and Junior would relish this kit.... No matter what the scale:thumb2:

Thanks Guys,
Andy

[The Smythe Meister]

It is, despite its shall we say unusual breed; neither Ford or Chevy, as already mentioned a very nice kit to build. I have built one and a half of them! (the half was a conversion to a 17lb'er Pheasant.)
Look forwards to seeing the colour go down on this one.

Hi Ian... Yep,an "Unusual Breed" for sure!!
I`ve saved this reply to last,simply because i`m going to put up a pic of the Basic Overall colour ,....
So i`ve now got it to this basic "Dark Yellow" stage.....
Well,what can i say?!!:flushed::flushed:
It`s great fun,and even though i`ve had a.... HORRENDOUS Day... :loudly-crying:..
I`ve managed to get this done at least!!
Andy

[Caustik Filth]

Catching up at last Andy and looking very tidy indeed, I will have to save some pocket money and treat meself. I don't think it's an ugly beastie tho !
Cheers Rob.

[The Smythe Meister]

Catching up at last Andy and looking very tidy indeed, I will have to save some pocket money and treat meself. I don't think it's an ugly beastie tho !
Cheers Rob.

Thank you very much Rob!... You don`t need a LOT of "Pocket Money" to get this kit i think... however,it may be more expensive these days!:thinking:,
As for the "Ugly Beastie"... Hmmm,not sure myself... if it`s not "Ugly",then it HAS to be "Weird" looking ?!!,
Nice to see you looking in mate:hugging-face:
Andy